Can't believe what has happened in Egypt. Our PM has come down on kness under visible pressure from US and initiated talks wiht Pakistan. No problem we have done that earlier also. But look at the joint statement of Gilani and MM Singh..!!
This is treachery and such person happens to be our PM..!!

So India and Pakistan are victims of terrorism,
India should help Pakistan in fighting terrorism (wow..!!!!)
finally there is Indian hand in Balochistan unrest.
MMS accepted that. Cant'beleive.
fantastic Mr M M Singh...!! As paksitan releases convicts of Bombay attack one after another congress as party is showing its traitor acts..! I feel cheated as an Indian.

Probable explanation by US was Pakistan is weak at the moment hence it doesn't matter.
It does not matter whether Pakistan is in a bad shape or it has given up terror. India cannot commit harakiri by conceding, even if by implication only, that it is equally a sponsor of terror just like Pakistan. In spite of its massive and widespread support for terrorism, Pakistan quite successfully maintained 'plausible deniability' for as long as 55 years until 9/11 happened and here we are meekly allowing Pakistan to hang us without a shred of evidence ? Give me a break when Pakistan claims, as proof, that some Balochis have accepted receiving help from India. What about evidence given by India that Dawood is in Karachi, there was Pak army hand in Bombay attack, how Kargil happened..!!
If, as MMS claims and I agree with him, we have nothing to hide, why did we allow Gilani to include a reference to Balochistan at all ? Are we enacting one of those melodramatic old Indian movies where the hero/heroine will silently suffer and allow others to abuse him/her for no fault of his/her just because of his/her love ?

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So India and Pakistan are victims of terrorism,
India should help Pakistan in fighting terrorism (wow..!!!!)


Its a very good thing that India will help Pakistan in time of need. India's enemy is terrorism , not Pakistan. This shows that why India is so different than Pakistan and Why India made so much progress in every field after independence...

All people in Pakistan are not bad , only terrorist people are bad . So its Indian culture and good values of Indians that , in times of need , Indians help not only friends but enemy too. This is the difference between India and Pakistan...

55 years of continous assault on the country, and we haven't learnt the lesson...!!!!!!! The people who decide Pak's fate are very much against India. It doesn't matter if the aam junta is innocent or not as long as national policy of that state believes in killing us. This is heartbreaking to see Indians supporting MMS on admitting that India is involved in Pak's unrest. This is hew height of self flagellation we have achieved

It is obvious that after 8 months since 11/26 we have nothing to deliver.
The leadership of India is once again contributing the exotic concept of Zero.

No leadership
No ownership
No responsibility
No strategy
No Governance
No perofrmance
No understanding
No Goals
No Pride
No Nationalism
above all
No principles
No scruples

If Balochistan has to be an issue between Pakistan and India, and Pakistan really wishes to accuse India, as yet falsely, of supporting Baluchi insurgency, and we are going to get a bad name anyway, then India might as well support Baluchistan wholeheartedly.

Russia, Iran, India, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan should come together a form a new coalition for the support of Afghanistan with direct support to Afghan Government, Afghan Intelligence, Afghan National Army, Afghan National Police, and various Northern Alliance warlords. We need an Afghan strategy independent of USA.

The fact that USA is now dependent on Russia for its supply lines, that the supply lines through Pakistan have been blocked, and that USA has a working relationship with India augurs well for such a coalition to be successful, as USA would be willing to tolerate it.The whole Taliban insurgency raging in Afghanistan has to be transferred to Pakistan. USA has already played a very important part in it. Now it has to become self-sustaining.

The most ideal situation is if Taliban is released from Al Qaeda's grip, and it can be coopted by the Coalition for Afghanistan to destroy Pakistan for once and for all times. It is a doable goal, but India's security establishment needs to start thinking differently. For that there is a need for generational change in Delhi.

Pakistan has built up a rethoric within about the war with the bad taliban in NWFP and swat. Their assertion is that india is involved there, to rally public support. Otherwise the people of pakistan would not have backed whatever little army operations are going on there. They would have come in in hordes to join the taliban ranks against the army.

This is the standard op procedure for the pak army. Bring India into all their troubles, and blame it. They begin with Balochistan, because balochistan is starting to look like Bangladesh - II. The spin all these years was that India had 'fooled' and 'corrupted' the bangladesh leaders into liberating bangladesh. The current generation is begining to see what the pakistani armed forces and intel agencies have done in balochistan, the feelings of hatered towards pakistan are for all to see.

Pakistan now has this desperate need to involve india into this debate:
1. To malign the baloch nationalism as India sponsored terrorism
2. To point india as the reason behind baitulla mehsud etc, giving the pak army cover to go after these people
3. Ultimately rally public support to re-energise jihad in kashmir, because of what 'India did in balochistn and NWFP'.

All this was plain to see for everybody. India needed to keep itself off the scene. Earlier there were only the accusations by the pak army, which the people of pakistan did not really trust fully. Now with MMS's actions, the people in Pak will be told that MMS has accepted in the presence of Geelani that India is sponsoring terror, when Geelani threatened to show all the proof he had. This is the way the rumour mongering pakistan quam functions.

This is all in line for a new wave of jeehadis to be recruited in pakistan, and be directed at india and balochistan, for now India's PM himself has accepted that they are doing something in balochistan and other parts.

well said indra ji

the way our govt is doing , i wont be shocked if there'll be another 26/11.

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/jul/ ... ngress.htm
Trouble brews within congress



So, can we now take it that Balochis are working in Indian interests and that the consulates in Afghanistan are the nerve centres, as Pakistan claims?

I sure hope MMS does not say that Xinjaing foment is also of Indian origin!
the people deserve the govt they elect! That says much

Now, Pak details ‘Indian hand’ in Balochistan
TNN 23 July 2009, 01:45am IST
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NEW DELHI: As the Manmohan Singh government faces flak for allowing the mention of Pakistan's "concerns" about Balochistan in the joint statement
the prime minister signed in Egypt, Islamabad seems determined to compound his difficulties.

On Wednesday, Pakistani media carried reports quoting official sources suggesting that Singh agreed to the mention of Balochistan when his Pakistani counterpart Yousaf Raza Gilani confronted him in Sharm el-Sheikh with a dossier detailing India's covert subversion in the restive province of Balochistan.

The report in the Dawn claimed the dossier also had details of India's role in fomenting trouble in other areas of Pakistan as well. It said it was India that was responsible for the attacks on the Sri Lankan cricket team and the Manawan police academy, apart from maintaining a terror training camp in Kandahar from where trained Baloch insurgents were sent into Pakistan. "Operatives of RAW who remained in touch with the perpetrators of the attacks have been identified and proof of their interaction have been attached. Besides, description of Indian arms and explosives used in the attack on the Sri Lankan team has been made part of the dossier," the paper said.

The PMO denied the claim. "No such dossier was given to us," a senior source told TOI.
But the report, based on claims made by close aides of Gilani, can feed into the perception that the reference to Balochistan may be used by Pakistan to harass India and to seek to turn the attention away from the ISI's brazen collusion with terrorists.

If this was not enough, a report in the New York Times based on its conversations with senior officials of Pakistan may undercut any perception that Pakistan agreed to make good its promise to crack down on terrorists during the Sharm el-Sheikh talks.

Senior Pakistani sources quoted in the NYT report made it clear that their government had no intention of taking any action against Taliban leaders like Sirajuddin Haqqani, who engineered the attack on the Indian mission in Kabul or Lashkar-e-Taiba leader Hafiz Saeed. ISI officials in briefings with US media have said, "Saeed deserved to be freed because the government had failed to convince the courts that he should be kept in custody. There would be no effort to imprison Saeed again, in part because he was just an ideologue who did not have an anti-Pakistan agenda."

Haqqani, ISI officials said, was no threat to anybody, though US and Indian officials have given Pakistan evidence of his being the mastermind of the attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul.

The claim that Gilani gave a dossier to Singh in Egypt has strengthened the apprehension here that this might become the norm from Pakistan.

The story in the Dawn goes on to say, "The evidence of Indian link lists the safe houses being run by RAW in Afghanistan, where terrorists are trained and launched for missions in Pakistan. The dossier also broadly covers the Indian connection in terror financing in Pakistan."

Quoting Gilani's aides, the report says they confirmed his discussions of India's involvement in the attack on the Sri Lankan team.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS ... 809632.cms

Joint statement is not a legal document-link

India still have some space to give nuanced support to the Baluchis and not touch the trip wires of sovereignty.

India can have conferences on Baluchistan, and simply state, that we are merely trying to understand the problem of the Baluchis, as there is little awareness of the Baluchi issue. If Pakistani raise accusing fingers at us, we should at least better know, what we are being accused of.

India, when asked of its political support to the Baluchistan's freedom, can always say it is not government policy and if someone in India expressed support, then it is their personal opinions.

India, when asked for her stand on Baluchistan, can always counter that we do not as yet have a stand. We are still studying it. In principle, India is dead-set against interfering in the internal affairs of another country, but we are still studying whether Baluchistan is a part of Pakistan or not. India would be referring the matter to International Court of Justice to comment on whether India should treat Baluchistan as a part of Pakistan or not. . "Bee are conphujed onlee!"

Every other accusation of military support to the Baluchis from the Pak can be countered as pure speculation and rhetoric. We have a token presence in Afghanistan in form of a few consulates, just like all other countries. It is beyond all realism to expect Indian consulates, which are already overburdened by the many social and developmental projects that we are carrying on in Afghanistan, as well as looking after own security which is challenged by Pakistani-sponsored Taliban units, to find time to delve in such adventures as giving material support to the Baluchis. Yada, Yada!